Green Herring

Dear Birdbrainscan, Thanks for your excellent arti...

2011-10-07T12:00:23.466-04:00

Dear Birdbrainscan,
Thanks for your excellent articles and for putting up with the cranks who will continue to call black - white & hang on to unjust accusations such as the ones against Michael Mann as if they were true!
Thank you!

Hi, Thanks for your work. Just a quick note to ...

2011-06-22T01:11:17.805-04:00

Hi,

Thanks for your work.

Just a quick note to let you know that your list contains an error. Your link to Michael Mann goes to the wrong Michael Mann. There's more than one of them.

Take care

Thanks, Nick. Your comments on ScepticalScience ma...

2011-04-05T16:03:38.802-04:00

Thanks, Nick. Your comments on ScepticalScience make good sense.

My take on the OISM signers is that the great majority of them were genuinely skeptical of mainstream/consensus climate science (not just relying on the fact that the petition's language only rejects an extreme outcome.) The key point is that the petition has been touted as having lots of signers with relevant expertise, while in fact it cast a very wide net and took everyone's word for it that they had a B.Sc. in almost anything. Anybody with a BSc *ought* to be able to tell a gigaton from a petagram or a ppm; however the source population for having a BSc in anything is a pretty large number (six or seven figures in the U.S., perhaps?)

The petition's own organizers narrowed down their own figures on signers with (any) Ph.D., around 9K, and further to people who they identified as climatologists (double digits), though they never identifies which signers they counted under these figures.

Hi I read your U of T page on sources and thought you might be interested in passing on my views of an aspect of the OISM petition that seems to have been barely noticed by all the people culling the Mickey Mice and Spice girls and assessing the validity of the PhDs?

Here is a link to a comment I made on Skepticalscience.com, which covers the strawmen inherent in the very wording of the petition itself.

link to my comment on skepticalscience's OISM page

I met this author recently, ibrahim, who told me ...

2010-10-16T22:47:19.774-04:00

I met this author recently, ibrahim, who told me about when he went to Memphis, TN for a Green Jobs conference in 2008. He left the conference for a day to explore the downtown and went to a diner. An old woman asked about his whereabouts and they got to talking. He asked her what she thought about climate change. She said, "it's what democrats are trying to get me to be afraid of like republicans get me to fear terrorists." this young man, ibrahim, got me thinking about the political way in which we frame climate change. maybe it's time to change that. he gave me his card - www.greendeenbook.com

Thanks muchacho. I've corrected the network na...

2010-09-21T22:15:52.311-04:00

Thanks muchacho. I've corrected the network name in the post. I first heard from Bill Anderegg in August 2009; my wife had been prodding me a little while before this, saying "Jim, why don't you try to publish something on your list?"

I was starting to ponder how to approach that, when Bill emailed me asking to collaborate. We worked on the design of our data selection in September, and Bill did the statistical analysis from that. The paper had been out for peer review for quite some time when word came through in late April 2010 (IIRC) that it had been accepted with revisions.

Hi Jim, small point, it's Channel 4 not BBC4 t...

2010-09-21T16:30:49.625-04:00

Hi Jim, small point, it's Channel 4 not BBC4 that broadcast GGWS. Great stuff Jim. BTW Could you tell me when was the the paper with Dr Anderegg concieved ? Im curious 'cos it is the subject of a correspondence of my own with the BBC.

The only other way to spin this into something ...

2010-06-28T14:45:55.008-04:00
The only other way to spin this into something sinister is to argue that someone evil *might use* the lists to persecute people regardless of our intentions. ... That objection of what someone might do with the list really falls down on the point Michael makes so well, that all the source lists I compiled were already on the web.

I'm not convinced by this blacklist thing but the point is that your lists have now received the PNAS imprimatur. Anyone can make lists and stick them on the Web. Who cares? But PNAS-stamped lists are a whole nother thing. They really are potential (but, IMO, unlikely) blacklist fodder.

While I'm here, can you please clarify one aspect of your methods? Your PNAS paper suggests an ambiguous method of searching Google Scholar for references and citations [I can't find the PDF! It was something like 'Finit Lastname' - something that suggested that only the first initial was used, anyway] and your website provides exact search terms that sort-of agree with this method but often had two or more initials. Fair enough. However, repeating the searches using those terms now produces some strange results - eg, fewer 'climate' publications for some authors than you found a year or more ago.

Did you hand-finish the Google Scholar results for selected authors? That is, did you use extra name-variants for some of the authors on your lists?

VB

Why is everyone comparing "making a list"...

2010-06-22T17:54:54.394-04:00
Why is everyone comparing "making a list" to the Stasi? Why not, say,

SANTA?

The only comments I've been deleting are: lin...

2010-06-22T17:53:20.530-04:00
The only comments I've been deleting are:

link-spam in Chinese (somehow I attract a lot of those), and

really pointless one-liner snarky ones where I can't tell what Anonymous is even trying to say.

The rest of the posts here I can at least understand enough to reply.

As for the PNAS article or my web listings being either "blacklists" or "censorship" - hey, buddy: I don't run any of the academic journals, I just list who they did and didn't publish. If you or someone you root for hasn't gotten published, my making a list showing that's so isn't the problem. I'm just the bearer of bad news; you need to complain to the science journals.

I'm glad to see another fan of Richard Feynman...

2010-06-22T17:45:30.863-04:00
I'm glad to see another fan of Richard Feynman - one of my favorite authors.

Now, just for the record:

a) I'm not "censoring" anyone. I'm not the government and I'm not preventing anyone from saying anything

b) it would not be "censoring" to delete any really dumb, one-liner snark responses. Censorship is passing a law saying you can't publish your thoughts anywhere; comment moderation is saying you can publish them anywhere else, but since this is my blog, I get to decide who is being really rude and failing to say anything relevant.

c) getting turned down by a publisher is not "censorship", whether at a journal or a print house. They own their facilities, and they get to decide whose work they print and whose they skip.

To paraphrase Richard Feynman: "It doesn'...

2010-06-22T16:30:46.934-04:00
To paraphrase Richard Feynman: "It doesn't matter how many people support a theory, if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." The world is cooling, and 'environmentalists' have to fudge their data, therefore AGW is just plain wrong.

It seems you are doing the exact same thing as cer...

2010-06-22T16:05:46.365-04:00
It seems you are doing the exact same thing as certain climate scientist blogs and you censor opposing views... typical !

Please add my name to your list. I'm no expert...

2010-06-22T13:22:24.647-04:00
Please add my name to your list. I'm no expert in climatology but I have a science degree and would be honoured to count myself as one who looks critically at polico-scientific orthodoxy. Keep up the good work - it's very entertaining (alomost satirical)to real scientists.

Dear Anonymous, ever religion have its detractors ...

2010-06-22T12:31:48.656-04:00
Dear Anonymous, ever religion have its detractors and its fiercest, acritic, and almost acefalic, followers. Jim Prall belongs to this 2nd group...

"Thousands of scientists worldwide push back ...

2010-06-22T10:53:42.821-04:00
"Thousands of scientists worldwide push back against attacks on integrity of climate science"

For once, I'd like to see dropping the fighting words as mere metaphors, and see some real mob-on-mob pushing and shoving. That would certainly settle the science.

well you'll probably have a few comments soon ...

2010-06-22T10:45:12.561-04:00
well you'll probably have a few comments soon with your Stasi-esque namelist collection of opponents

Show us the evidence that carbon dioxide is the un...

2010-06-22T01:27:43.043-04:00
Show us the evidence that carbon dioxide is the undisputed driver of climate, and no, computer models by a Michael Mann type graph do not count. Already found to be doctored with.
Of course that`s not available, so why you waste so much time on all this is a mystery. You`ve got to be unbelievably bored.
It`s frickin cold here in BC, we have the heater on tonight.
Send some Global Warming this way, will you please

I'm not doing so well at attracting interested...

2010-06-20T07:51:44.629-04:00
I'm not doing so well at attracting interested readers to my blog yet. So far, comments to this post have been a string of chinese link-spams, plus this one from way in left field touting someone's pet theory of the origin of planet Earth (a Velikowsky wannabe?)
Sigh. Oh well.

2010-06-19T19:36:49.149-04:00
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Green Herring

Dear Birdbrainscan, Thanks for your excellent arti...

Hi, Thanks for your work. Just a quick note to ...

Thanks, Nick. Your comments on ScepticalScience ma...

I met this author recently, ibrahim, who told me ...

Thanks muchacho. I've corrected the network na...

Hi Jim, small point, it's Channel 4 not BBC4 t...

The only other way to spin this into something ...

Why is everyone comparing "making a list"...

The only comments I've been deleting are: lin...

I'm glad to see another fan of Richard Feynman...

To paraphrase Richard Feynman: "It doesn'...

It seems you are doing the exact same thing as cer...

Please add my name to your list. I'm no expert...

Dear Anonymous, ever religion have its detractors ...

"Thousands of scientists worldwide push back ...

well you'll probably have a few comments soon ...

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